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	<title>Comments on: LCD Multitouch Table Mark 1</title>
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	<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/</link>
	<description>Stewart Greenhill's random thoughts and musing</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LCD Display guy</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-19/#comment-14499</link>
		<dc:creator>LCD Display guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is probably the coolest mod I've ever seen, home made touch screen table.

Would any other touch sensors be viable to work with on a home project for example resistive, or is that likely to put oo much strain on the LCD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is probably the coolest mod I&#8217;ve ever seen, home made touch screen table.</p>
<p>Would any other touch sensors be viable to work with on a home project for example resistive, or is that likely to put oo much strain on the LCD?</p>
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		<title>By: Industrial LCD</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-18/#comment-14199</link>
		<dc:creator>Industrial LCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve always loved the idea of tangible computer interfaces. I’ve built some plain paper and cardboard box multitouch displays, and some advanced IR projections ones. I found that both were lacking in giving you a nice clear display to work with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve always loved the idea of tangible computer interfaces. I’ve built some plain paper and cardboard box multitouch displays, and some advanced IR projections ones. I found that both were lacking in giving you a nice clear display to work with</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-14/#comment-13612</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

I asked the suppliers to polish the edges after cutting. I'm not sure what method they used. The surface looked pretty smooth, though it was not completely "flat", probably cut with being cut with a bandsaw. If it is laser-cut then you'd probably get a better finish.

A flat, highly polished surface is more important for FTIR designs, where you need as much internal reflection as possible. If you are using a DSI design (with Endlighten), its probably not that critical.

Are you sure you've got enough power to your LEDs? If you're using the flex ribbon you'll need at least a 2A at 12V. Check the data sheet for the power consumption per meter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>I asked the suppliers to polish the edges after cutting. I&#8217;m not sure what method they used. The surface looked pretty smooth, though it was not completely &#8220;flat&#8221;, probably cut with being cut with a bandsaw. If it is laser-cut then you&#8217;d probably get a better finish.</p>
<p>A flat, highly polished surface is more important for FTIR designs, where you need as much internal reflection as possible. If you are using a DSI design (with Endlighten), its probably not that critical.</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;ve got enough power to your LEDs? If you&#8217;re using the flex ribbon you&#8217;ll need at least a 2A at 12V. Check the data sheet for the power consumption per meter.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-14/#comment-13595</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 18:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

You site is a big help and thanks for answering our questions.

Did you polish the edges of the acrylic? If so, what method did you use?

I polished mine with 320 - 400 grit sand paper and then a buffing wheel on a drill.
It doesn't have the same finish you would expect from something like flame polishing and I am afraid that it the way I will have to go.
I am just not getting the IR lights into the acrylic good enough. 

Thanks again,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>You site is a big help and thanks for answering our questions.</p>
<p>Did you polish the edges of the acrylic? If so, what method did you use?</p>
<p>I polished mine with 320 - 400 grit sand paper and then a buffing wheel on a drill.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t have the same finish you would expect from something like flame polishing and I am afraid that it the way I will have to go.<br />
I am just not getting the IR lights into the acrylic good enough. </p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-12/#comment-13195</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Here's the part description from the invoice:

1 x Narrow Dimmable LED Ribbon Flex by the 5-meter reel
(InfraRed 850 nm) (irrf850-reel)

At the time, the cost was $177 plus freight.

The size of the acrylic depends on how you're going to mount it. I ended up mounting the acrylic as the top surface of my box, so it rested on top of the four sides. I made it big enough for a 25mm border on all sides. Initially I was going to sandwich the panel between the endlighten and a separate smaller sheet of perspex, but in the end I supported the panel on a small ledge inside the box. An advantage of the "sandwich" idea is that the whole assembley is more-or-less self supporting, but if you include the driver board in the sandwich its quite a bit larger on the top side. Make sure you support the weight of the acrylic - don't just rest it on top of the LCD or you'll end up distorting or cracking it.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the part description from the invoice:</p>
<p>1 x Narrow Dimmable LED Ribbon Flex by the 5-meter reel<br />
(InfraRed 850 nm) (irrf850-reel)</p>
<p>At the time, the cost was $177 plus freight.</p>
<p>The size of the acrylic depends on how you&#8217;re going to mount it. I ended up mounting the acrylic as the top surface of my box, so it rested on top of the four sides. I made it big enough for a 25mm border on all sides. Initially I was going to sandwich the panel between the endlighten and a separate smaller sheet of perspex, but in the end I supported the panel on a small ledge inside the box. An advantage of the &#8220;sandwich&#8221; idea is that the whole assembley is more-or-less self supporting, but if you include the driver board in the sandwich its quite a bit larger on the top side. Make sure you support the weight of the acrylic - don&#8217;t just rest it on top of the LCD or you&#8217;ll end up distorting or cracking it.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-12/#comment-13101</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I thought of another question. 
How much larger should the Acrylic be than the actual LCD?

Thanks again,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I thought of another question.<br />
How much larger should the Acrylic be than the actual LCD?</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-12/#comment-13100</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking on Environmental Light's website and see 658 mW/meter and 1,752 mW/meter brightness. Which one did you use?
Do you still have the part number?

Thanks 
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking on Environmental Light&#8217;s website and see 658 mW/meter and 1,752 mW/meter brightness. Which one did you use?<br />
Do you still have the part number?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-11/#comment-13002</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's what I thought would happen, but it doesn't seem to work. If you put IR illuminators behind the LCD, you don't get any signal back from the front surface. I'm not sure of the reason, but I haven't found anyone who has got it to work that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I thought would happen, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to work. If you put IR illuminators behind the LCD, you don&#8217;t get any signal back from the front surface. I&#8217;m not sure of the reason, but I haven&#8217;t found anyone who has got it to work that way.</p>
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		<title>By: vossler</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-11/#comment-13000</link>
		<dc:creator>vossler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stewart,

Impressed work!

I am curious if you put some IR LEDs in the table's bottom, is that gonna make fiducial marker more clear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stewart,</p>
<p>Impressed work!</p>
<p>I am curious if you put some IR LEDs in the table&#8217;s bottom, is that gonna make fiducial marker more clear?</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://stewartgreenhill.com/blog/2009/06/24/lcd-multitouch-table-mark-1/comment-page-8/#comment-12011</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christian,

Sorry for the lengthy delay - I'm finally getting back to my sadly neglected blog, and sorting comments from the spam.

The main cost is the Mac Mini. I don't have exact costings, but here are some rough figures. Some things I bought locally (in Australian dollars), and others are in US dollars.

Monitor: LG W2252TQ-PFT ($AU 270)
Camera:  Unibrain Fire-i (B/W, $US 150)
Lens: 2.5mm focal length ($AU 30)
Brain: Mac Mini ($AU 1000)
Cable: Firewire 9-pin to 6-pin ($AU 50)
IR Filter: 850nm IR pass ($AU 20)
Acrylic Panel: Endlighten 10mm ($AU 30)
IR illuminator: 850nm IR LED strip light (~2meters, $US 100)
Power Supply: 12V, for illuminator ($AU 30)

Assorted hardware: MDF, wood screws, nut/bolts, square dowell, 1" aluminium angle, steel strip, T-nuts, hinge, construction adhesive, silicone sealant, magnetic catches, gaffa tape  (~$AU 100) 

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christian,</p>
<p>Sorry for the lengthy delay - I&#8217;m finally getting back to my sadly neglected blog, and sorting comments from the spam.</p>
<p>The main cost is the Mac Mini. I don&#8217;t have exact costings, but here are some rough figures. Some things I bought locally (in Australian dollars), and others are in US dollars.</p>
<p>Monitor: LG W2252TQ-PFT ($AU 270)<br />
Camera:  Unibrain Fire-i (B/W, $US 150)<br />
Lens: 2.5mm focal length ($AU 30)<br />
Brain: Mac Mini ($AU 1000)<br />
Cable: Firewire 9-pin to 6-pin ($AU 50)<br />
IR Filter: 850nm IR pass ($AU 20)<br />
Acrylic Panel: Endlighten 10mm ($AU 30)<br />
IR illuminator: 850nm IR LED strip light (~2meters, $US 100)<br />
Power Supply: 12V, for illuminator ($AU 30)</p>
<p>Assorted hardware: MDF, wood screws, nut/bolts, square dowell, 1&#8243; aluminium angle, steel strip, T-nuts, hinge, construction adhesive, silicone sealant, magnetic catches, gaffa tape  (~$AU 100) </p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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